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Wiki Patterns
Cognitive Edge: Hubert’s error
Wikipedians at war
Word of Mouth
Encouraging participation in the wiki world
Pbwiki support
Martin Cleaver, masterfully. » Blog Archive » Wikis compared to Email, Discussion Groups and Blogs

Wiki Patterns

Via Enterprise irregulars, Wikipatterns.com

This was quite an exciting discovery, a group of people trying to put together a pattern language about wiki adoption. This is quite similar in many ways to what I have been developing on the DARwiki’s wiki facilitation page, which gets referred to by some bloggers. Wikipatterns.com launches with a group of people already involved, so I’ll join them and see what I can contribute. My initial thoughts are slightly troubled by the idea that the patterns may be applicable in some contexts but not in others, in particular the difference between enterprise wikis and public ones. Can the two quite different endeavors be described within the same pattern language ? We shall see. There’s another paradox in using a wiki engine which appears to encourage thread-mode, which is listed there as one of the anti-patterns. But at least these kind of contradictions stand a better chance of being negotiated on a wiki than anywhere else.

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Cognitive Edge: Hubert’s error

Dave Snowden provides a strong response to two comments made by Hubert St Onge ( one of the authors of an important modern book about communities of practice )

1. That Blogs and Wikis are publishing tools not collaboration tools, and in the case of blogs the publishing is individualistic/egotistical.
2. That an organisation should mandate one tool for collaboration, rather than allowing diversity; but that participation in the use of those tools should be voluntary.

I can see exactly why Dave would need to take to his blog and strongly oppose these ideas, but on the other hand I can also imagine possible contexts in which the comments can be valid.

Certainly blogs tend to be individualistic, and the much vaunted “conversations” which they may faciliate can tend towards the networking type of interaction rather than the many-2-many model which I believe to be more powerful in some ways.

Whilst Dave’s experience of blogging has been something to enthuse about:

Cognitive Edge: Hubert’s error
In over 15 years of taking part in collaborative spaces I have seen less intimacy, less exchange and less learning than in the six months that I have been writing this blog.

he still likes to invest a fair amount of thought and time into taking people to task in the various “listserves” (email groups), and develops the practice which I do a bit of myself, namely finding inspiration through conversation in groups, and then working the content up into a blog post, or sometimes the other way around.

The second point, about standardising on one tool, could also make some sense in terms of avoiding the draining effect of dissipation of conversation through the proliferation of channels, but it really depends again on the context or organisation concerned.

I think my own views about this have been evolving and I no longer see the opportunity presented by blogs for anybody to self publish as being something which may threaten to supersede or diminish the established format of online communities, in fact the boundary crossing nature of the tools is just as likely to pull new people in to them.

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Wikipedians at war

Admin and SysOp privileged wikipedians slug it out in access protected IRC channels.

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-02-05/Arbitration and IRC – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only fragments of the story make it through into the public sphere but you can get an idea of the rancour which develops when you start setting up groups within groups within groups at the same time as sending out the impression of a democratic process for general consumption. An all too familiar pattern, unfortunately.

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Word of Mouth

A Normandy cider producer asked where she could find UK cider enthusiasts with a view to taking out an advertisement, for example in the specialist press – monthly magazine.

So I wrote to the ukcider list, but I’m publishing here as well because there are some generalised ideas contained within which are also directly relevent to a couple of other projects I’m currently starting on.

There are two things I want to suggest, arising from your request. The first continues the discussion I was having with Andrew recently about competion. It strikes me that here in the UK, craft ciders are in competion for people’s money with other “luxury” products to a much larger extent than between each other. Beer and wine are probably the main competition, but also other beverages, fine food and perhaps even entertainments. But I won’t stretch it too far.

Secondly, In the modern connected world there is the idea that “word of mouth” is becoming more important than advertising. ukciderbutton.gif UK cider enthusiasts are right here on this group/forum/wiki and you can engage with us by simply writing about your own product and activities on a regular basis, as long as it takes the form of participation in a conversation not just posting one way announcements. It’s always a good idea to enhance and keep your own details up to date on the wiki as well – in your case this could be on the France page – Cidernaut_guide_to_France
as well as on the buy cider page if you are intending to provide an online order service to the UK

One active example, not a producer but a publican, is Steve Marquis of
the Blue Bell at Halkyn in North Wales.
blue bell .

Finally, there is now one trial commercial linked graphic advertisement on the http://ukcider.co.uk/buy.htm static page which is not exclusive and helps toward the annual bandwith fees for the wiki. I don’t believe that impinges on the community in any way by being there, and if you are interested in something similar then do get in touch.

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Encouraging participation in the wiki world

The DAR wiki doesn’t have trackbacks enabled like a blog but I can trace some connections back through my webstats referrals. Thus I found two blogs which have picked up on my wiki facilitation page and added some thoughts. The irony is not lost, of course. There I am having written about how to try and facilitate collaboration on a wiki and one of the tips is “don’t do it all yourself” So somebody writes “is it just me or did you do all this yourself?” Ha! thanks for helping…

Then some more people find the page, possibly through Nancy White blogging it – and they seem to find it useful and have some comments of their own to make. But they don’t edit the wiki to enhance the information there, they blog or blog-comment about it instead!

Meredith Wolfwater: Encouraging participation in the wiki world

Agnese Caruso: improving-participation-in-wikis

Both of these posts have attracted some comments, so there’s a bit of conversation going on which would normally get buried in the archives after a few days.

Now that’s something which it is possible to get all frustrated about, but I don’t any more because it’s an issue I’ve been tracking for several years now, and I can switch between viewing through the group perspective and the individual one more easily now.

I started out wondering whether individual bloggers will tend to withdraw to their blogs and post less to discussion groups, to the detriment of the traditional listserv and other types of many-to-many community. (Dave Snowden has been wondering this more recently, but I can’t find the reference)

the-question-of-blogging-and-communities

control-in-blogs-and-communities-and-flickr

About a year ago I asked this question:

How are we going to hold the more fragile communities together when some of the key contributors may be increasingly tempted to publish their ideas mainly on their own blogs to the detriment of the overall level of interaction?

It’s all to do with the ownership of spaces, both real and interpreted. So now I’m trying to pull together some seperate ideas which I’ve been mulling over for a long time, and I won’t succeed today, but will make some progress, and in public. My learning about collaborative wiki facilitation came originally from the ukcider wiki, about a domain which has clear goals, practical outcomes and tends to be subscribed to by people with a more naturally cooperative consciousness. The domain with which DARnet concerns itself on the other hand, is mostly on the meta-level and is perhaps mainly of interest to people who are generally more predisposed to owning and controlling their own spaces, even on the topic of collective knowlege building. I think I knew that when I started, deliberately setting myself a much harder nut to crack, but with contingency plans and other side benefits. So what I’m trying to say here is simply that this:

* the domain type affects the style and level of collaboration
* individual blogs are not going to bleed discussion groups dry anytime soon
* wiki proliferation has already ended the ‘field of dreams’ scenario
* webstats are invaluable for tracing backlinks

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Pbwiki support

I had a problem with my PBwiki which I use as a starting off point, to do list and temporary store. It’s a straightforward but very useful service which I have come to rely upon, so I wrote to the support email address.

My personal PBwiki which I’ve been using since 2005 has suddenly disappeared……Can you confirm this is a temporary malfunction and let me know when my data will be back online please?

Only six minutes later I received a reply from Ramit, Co-founder of PBwiki:

Thanks for your email, and I personally apologize for this inconvenience.

This morning, we discovered that a small number of PBwikis are experiencing problems allowing access to them. Our engineers are actively working to fix this issue right now. Please don’t worry-we’ve verified that no PBwiki data was lost, so your wiki will be fully available shortly. We expect to have this repaired within 1-2 hours.

Again, please accept my apologies, and thank you for using PBwiki.

And sure enough, it was fixed very shortly. So thankyou very much PBwiki for your excellent service.

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Martin Cleaver, masterfully. » Blog Archive » Wikis compared to Email, Discussion Groups and Blogs

Martin Cleaver identifies and explains one of the salient features of the type of practice which can be enabled by wikis.

Martin Cleaver, masterfully. » Blog Archive » Wikis compared to Email, Discussion Groups and Blogs

Wikis are Negotiation tools.

* Wikis are means for a group to truly negotiate over meaning, align on values and build action plans together. The open nature of Wikis, where anyone can move or reword content facilitates collaborative idea structuring. The very lack of structured barriers between postings enables the next person to cut & paste conversation fragments around the wiki . Working on the same document (rather than linking between posts, or tacking on yet another comment) creates a workspace for situated cognition, where participants are forced to co-author the document. Co-authoring, in turn, ensures participates find a wording that summarizes the content, first by acknowledging differences and often by bridging through super-ordinate, more profound, concepts that explain a dilemma.

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Thanks for reading Andy Roberts articles about Wiki on the DARnet Blog