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		<title>By: Rosmerta</title>
		<link>http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2009/07/13/swine-flu-vaccination-plan#comment-100216</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosmerta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not be getting the swine flu shot or any other flu shot because I had Guillain-Barre as a result of a regular flu shot way back in 1963. I was paralyzed for several weeks and still have residual effects. (That was long before the last swine flu scare.) I haven&#039;t had a flu shot since; I think the only time I got the flu was when I was working in a school library.
However, my husband volunteered for Johns Hopkins&#039; study of the H1N1 vaccine and has had two shots. He could be one of the few who got a placebo; I don&#039;t know if we&#039;ll ever find that out. But he was very happy to get the vaccine and has never had a problem with the annual shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not be getting the swine flu shot or any other flu shot because I had Guillain-Barre as a result of a regular flu shot way back in 1963. I was paralyzed for several weeks and still have residual effects. (That was long before the last swine flu scare.) I haven&#8217;t had a flu shot since; I think the only time I got the flu was when I was working in a school library.<br />
However, my husband volunteered for Johns Hopkins&#8217; study of the H1N1 vaccine and has had two shots. He could be one of the few who got a placebo; I don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll ever find that out. But he was very happy to get the vaccine and has never had a problem with the annual shot.</p>
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		<title>By: How To Prevent The Flu</title>
		<link>http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2009/07/13/swine-flu-vaccination-plan#comment-85956</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Prevent The Flu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be a bit wary of a swine flu vaccine, though. Remember what happened with the last one in the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be a bit wary of a swine flu vaccine, though. Remember what happened with the last one in the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice :)
it is lack of vaccination in most countries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice <img src='http://distributedresearch.net/blog/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
it is lack of vaccination in most countries</p>
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		<title>By: How to Prevent Swine Flu</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to Prevent Swine Flu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hill ( from the World Innovation Foundation ?) left a comment on my previous post &#8211; &#8220;Swine Flu Caccination Plan&#8221; which I feel deserves to be promoted to a post of its own, below. He points out the real [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hill ( from the World Innovation Foundation ?) left a comment on my previous post &#8211; &#8220;Swine Flu Caccination Plan&#8221; which I feel deserves to be promoted to a post of its own, below. He points out the real [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DR David Hill</title>
		<link>http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2009/07/13/swine-flu-vaccination-plan#comment-81482</link>
		<dc:creator>DR David Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that no one listens including the media. Swine flu if it mutates to something equivalent to the Spanish flu of 1918/1919 (Spanish flu was a swine flu variant) has the same potential to kill humans on an unprecidented scale as it did 90 years ago. The problem is that both swine and avian are constantly mutating into something different. So by the time you have isolated and made a vaccine for the last one, it has changed again and circumvented the old guard and becomes useless. The problem is that this happens all the time and where drugs become irrelevant. The reason, it takes three months to develop an antidote and 6 months to mass produce and distribute it (a logistic nightmare in itself alone) and where on average therefore the vast majority have to wait 9 months for the cure. The problem is that even in slow coach travel times 1918, the Spanish flu which took between 20 and 100 million lives worldwide (there is no authoritive number but where it is estimated between the two), did its deadliest between week 14 and week 26, some 12 weeks at least before the masses would ever receive the drug cure presently. The 1918 killer flu had a very similar circumstance as today, a mild version before the deadly version arrived in the fall of 1918 with a vengeance. The only way that this deadly killer can be stopped therefore, if anyone is listening out there, is through a complete overhaul of modern farming and husbandry methods and to give considerable financial help to those who breed the livestock that we all eat. Basically as a single example, just stop them sleeping with the animals on cold nights in the tropics as this is how the flu virus passes from pig to chicken to man – eventually; and where the pig is the receptive incubator. Simply give them a heater and fuel, a much cheaper option that global suicide in both human and econmic terms as it will be. For the ‘Tropics’ are where some of the most eminent virologists and micribiologists in the field say is the place where the killer virus will emerge.The philosophy of not letting it happen in the first place. The drugs strategy is futile and it is only a matter of time before the killer strain that will kill literally 100s millions appears. The problem is that the vast profits of drug companies and the government&#039;s ignorance to the real facts will be the nails in all our coffins. The statistics and potential speak for themselves, 

World Population 2 billion – 1920 
Range of deaths 
20mil/2billion = 1 in 100 
100mil/2billion = 5 in 100 

World Population now at 6.8 billion now equates to, 
1 in 100 - 70 million min. today 
5 in 100 - 340 million max. today 
But, these figures could well be higher, as rapid world transit now makes for faster and wider transmission than in 1918.
I therefore say lets start now as I have been saying for the past three years and defeat this mass killer like no other by field work and not the futile drugs strategy that will do very little indeed to save lives. For presently we are all fooling ourselves. 

If we put only £50 billion into this field work globally ( a small price for the human nightmare and financial melt-down that a global equivalent to Spanish flu would bring),we could eradicate the situation but where this £50 billion will no doubt end up alternatively in the pockets of the large pharmaceutical companies with little effect whatsoever. Get real everyone before it is basically too late and I am not joking – force governments to change their strategies from something that is impotent presently to something that will eradicate the problem at source. Common sense really but where currently no one seems to have any. 

Worryingly  also is the fact that as examples of other problems on the horizon is that the United States makes only 20 percent of its flu vaccines it uses and my country Britain makes zero percent of its flu vaccines, as all its flu vaccines are produced abroad. When a killer pandemic happens it will be hard for the producing countries to release any before their own people are serviced. Little known but true (Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota – 16.07.09). 

I have been stopped from putting these comments and facts out by the media before. Let’s hope that minds are fully opened now and that the real solution can be heard and not just the bottom-line for drug companies! 

Dr David Hill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that no one listens including the media. Swine flu if it mutates to something equivalent to the Spanish flu of 1918/1919 (Spanish flu was a swine flu variant) has the same potential to kill humans on an unprecidented scale as it did 90 years ago. The problem is that both swine and avian are constantly mutating into something different. So by the time you have isolated and made a vaccine for the last one, it has changed again and circumvented the old guard and becomes useless. The problem is that this happens all the time and where drugs become irrelevant. The reason, it takes three months to develop an antidote and 6 months to mass produce and distribute it (a logistic nightmare in itself alone) and where on average therefore the vast majority have to wait 9 months for the cure. The problem is that even in slow coach travel times 1918, the Spanish flu which took between 20 and 100 million lives worldwide (there is no authoritive number but where it is estimated between the two), did its deadliest between week 14 and week 26, some 12 weeks at least before the masses would ever receive the drug cure presently. The 1918 killer flu had a very similar circumstance as today, a mild version before the deadly version arrived in the fall of 1918 with a vengeance. The only way that this deadly killer can be stopped therefore, if anyone is listening out there, is through a complete overhaul of modern farming and husbandry methods and to give considerable financial help to those who breed the livestock that we all eat. Basically as a single example, just stop them sleeping with the animals on cold nights in the tropics as this is how the flu virus passes from pig to chicken to man – eventually; and where the pig is the receptive incubator. Simply give them a heater and fuel, a much cheaper option that global suicide in both human and econmic terms as it will be. For the ‘Tropics’ are where some of the most eminent virologists and micribiologists in the field say is the place where the killer virus will emerge.The philosophy of not letting it happen in the first place. The drugs strategy is futile and it is only a matter of time before the killer strain that will kill literally 100s millions appears. The problem is that the vast profits of drug companies and the government&#8217;s ignorance to the real facts will be the nails in all our coffins. The statistics and potential speak for themselves, </p>
<p>World Population 2 billion – 1920<br />
Range of deaths<br />
20mil/2billion = 1 in 100<br />
100mil/2billion = 5 in 100 </p>
<p>World Population now at 6.8 billion now equates to,<br />
1 in 100 &#8211; 70 million min. today<br />
5 in 100 &#8211; 340 million max. today<br />
But, these figures could well be higher, as rapid world transit now makes for faster and wider transmission than in 1918.<br />
I therefore say lets start now as I have been saying for the past three years and defeat this mass killer like no other by field work and not the futile drugs strategy that will do very little indeed to save lives. For presently we are all fooling ourselves. </p>
<p>If we put only £50 billion into this field work globally ( a small price for the human nightmare and financial melt-down that a global equivalent to Spanish flu would bring),we could eradicate the situation but where this £50 billion will no doubt end up alternatively in the pockets of the large pharmaceutical companies with little effect whatsoever. Get real everyone before it is basically too late and I am not joking – force governments to change their strategies from something that is impotent presently to something that will eradicate the problem at source. Common sense really but where currently no one seems to have any. </p>
<p>Worryingly  also is the fact that as examples of other problems on the horizon is that the United States makes only 20 percent of its flu vaccines it uses and my country Britain makes zero percent of its flu vaccines, as all its flu vaccines are produced abroad. When a killer pandemic happens it will be hard for the producing countries to release any before their own people are serviced. Little known but true (Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota – 16.07.09). </p>
<p>I have been stopped from putting these comments and facts out by the media before. Let’s hope that minds are fully opened now and that the real solution can be heard and not just the bottom-line for drug companies! </p>
<p>Dr David Hill</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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