Comments on: debate: The end of the Organisation? http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation Distributed Action Research, communities of practice and social objects by Andy Roberts Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:51:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Andy Roberts http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-24933 Andy Roberts Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:04:17 +0000 http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-24933 I've added a new post <a href="http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/03/08/the-end-of-management">The end of Management</a> but haven't really dealt with the comments yet. Also a wiki page <a href="http://distributedresearch.net/wiki/index.php/The_end_of_the_organisation">The_end_of_the_organisation</a> for tracking the various posts and possibly refactoring the arguments etc. I’ve added a new post The end of Management but haven’t really dealt with the comments yet. Also a wiki page The_end_of_the_organisation for tracking the various posts and possibly refactoring the arguments etc.

]]> By: joitske hulsebosch http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-22487 joitske hulsebosch Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:52:48 +0000 http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-22487 Hi Andy, would be nice if you could do so, and include the comments. I think we are both arguing that communications doesn't shape organisations. You emphasise more about the private sector, I refer to all three sectors. (and add somethings about knowledge workers and managers!) Hi Andy, would be nice if you could do so, and include the comments. I think we are both arguing that communications doesn’t shape organisations. You emphasise more about the private sector, I refer to all three sectors. (and add somethings about knowledge workers and managers!)

]]> By: Andy Roberts http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-22097 Andy Roberts Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:15:01 +0000 http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-22097 http://joitskehulsebosch.blogspot.com/2008/02/organization-is-there-to-stay.html I'm trying to think about what happens next. Maybe I'll find ways to show how my position differs from Joitske's to some extent, and agrees in part with Josien. Or Maybe Josien will challenge the arguments against Gilbert. http://joitskehulsebosch.blogspot.com/2008/02/organization-is-there-to-stay.html

I’m trying to think about what happens next. Maybe I’ll find ways to show how my position differs from Joitske’s to some extent, and agrees in part with Josien. Or Maybe Josien will challenge the arguments against Gilbert.

]]> By: joitske hulsebosch http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-21864 joitske hulsebosch Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:54:00 +0000 http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-21864 Hi Andy, just sent you a mail... didn't know you beat me!! will read it carefully.. Hi Andy, just sent you a mail… didn’t know you beat me!! will read it carefully..

]]> By: Laura Whitehead http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-21845 Laura Whitehead Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:19:27 +0000 http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/02/21/debate-the-end-of-the-organisation#comment-21845 Hi Andy, been thinking about this too, and was intending to blog, but thankfully you have done this, so I can comment here. I don't see it being the end to organisations at all, I forsee a widening of the vibrant society we already have and have had historically for many years. Grassroots community action will always still happen. With or without technology. New organisations will be born in response to a need, other organisations will grow and maybe widen their work, or stay as they are, some will have acheived their mission and no longer be needed... It will all keep happening. That's what the nonprofit sector does and is about. Some will use technologies to support and enhance their work, and reach out to wider audiences, others don't and sometimes don't always need to, technology isn't always relevant to making things happen. All pends on the purpose and need, and what they want to achieve to fulfil their mission. I feel that sometimes as evangalists of technology we can sometimes become detached from the real nuts and bolts of everyday society that takes place supporting a whole communities daily life for all ages (young to old). Technology can support, but musn't be seen as the be all and end all. The 'techno' bit is just a tool, not the reason. Technology enhances bringing the ability to enhance participation, have a voice in different discussions has created an additional strand of community action. It does and can still happen without technology too. In addition to the traditional structures and activity, some may evolve into different more technology based/driven communities, and new activity will be created partly because of the ability of technology to pool people together. But you'll never lose the grass roots activity or 'traditional' organisation that runs successfully and always has done. That will always be there. Our evolving and new emerging communities and organisations will all add to what we already have and make the nonprofit sector even more innovative and diverse as it is today. rant over... Hi Andy, been thinking about this too, and was intending to blog, but thankfully you have done this, so I can comment here. I don’t see it being the end to organisations at all, I forsee a widening of the vibrant society we already have and have had historically for many years.

Grassroots community action will always still happen. With or without technology. New organisations will be born in response to a need, other organisations will grow and maybe widen their work, or stay as they are, some will have acheived their mission and no longer be needed… It will all keep happening. That’s what the nonprofit sector does and is about. Some will use technologies to support and enhance their work, and reach out to wider audiences, others don’t and sometimes don’t always need to, technology isn’t always relevant to making things happen. All pends on the purpose and need, and what they want to achieve to fulfil their mission. I feel that sometimes as evangalists of technology we can sometimes become detached from the real nuts and bolts of everyday society that takes place supporting a whole communities daily life for all ages (young to old). Technology can support, but musn’t be seen as the be all and end all. The ‘techno’ bit is just a tool, not the reason.

Technology enhances bringing the ability to enhance participation, have a voice in different discussions has created an additional strand of community action. It does and can still happen without technology too. In addition to the traditional structures and activity, some may evolve into different more technology based/driven communities, and new activity will be created partly because of the ability of technology to pool people together. But you’ll never lose the grass roots activity or ‘traditional’ organisation that runs successfully and always has done. That will always be there.

Our evolving and new emerging communities and organisations will all add to what we already have and make the nonprofit sector even more innovative and diverse as it is today.

rant over…

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